One of the best ways to turn others off to the beliefs of true Nazarenes is to falsely accuse us of denying the deity of The Messiah:
“How can you deny the deity of the Messiah? His blood guilt is on your head!!!”
That is a false witness, by the very definition… and as all false witnesses, it has very damaging consequences. People believe false witnesses without looking into their claims. Once this claim is made publicly is taints the minds of those who hear it against the Truth. They get it into their mind the Nazarenes deny Yahusha’s deity and that is all they need to know to then go forth without verifying the claim and spread that lie and gossip becoming False Witnesses themselves and losing their salvation (False Witness do not inherit the Kingdom).
True Nazarenes do not deny the deity of the Messiah we understand it.
Declared Divine… by the Power of the Resurrection… not human birth!
The Messiah was a human being (came in the flesh) and was declared Divine the son of Yahuah by the power of the resurrection… not human birth.
Romans 1 2 concerning Yahusha, which Yahuah PROMISED beforehand (in The Heavenly Scroll, he did not pre-exist) through His prophets in the holy Scriptures (who all read The Heavenly Scroll), 3 concerning His Son, who was born (human) of a descendant of David (through both parents) according to the flesh (sarki - outside of any divine influence, by normal human conception, prone to sin and opposed to God), 4 who was declared (Divine) the Son of Yahuah by the POWER OF THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, according to the Spirit of holiness (Yahuah’s Spiritual Seed), Yahusha the Messiah.
What does “according to the flesh” mean? Below is the literal definition which is a denial of incarnation…
g4561 ‘sarki’ - Thayer: 2a) the body of a man 2b) used of natural or physical origin, generation or relationship 2b1) born of natural generation 4) the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God.
The firstborn of the DEAD, not “human birth”….
The Messiah was granted Divinity (immortality) upon his resurrection as that is The Way we all follow. He did not always exist and he was not born a divine being to his parents Joseph and Miriam.
Colossians 1 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn FROM THE DEAD, so that in everything (in the eternal Kingdom of Yahuah) he might have the supremacy (first born son and heir to the kingdom).
Revelation 1 and from Yahusha the Messiah, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn FROM THE DEAD, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Forefather of Everlasting Life… The First Fruits
The Messiah is the first of the resurrection (first fruits from the GRAVE)… just like all of us… he is the “forefather of everlasting life”…
1 Corinthians 15 …22For as in Adam all die, so in covenant with Yahusha all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Yahusha the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.
He came before us in the resurrection and was predestine in The Heavenly Scroll at creation… not some pre-existing PAGAN demi-god.
John 1 15 John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is he of whom I said, ‘he who comes after me (in human birth, John was older by 6 months) has surpassed me (in position in the coming Kingdom), because he was (predestined) before me (in The Heavenly Scroll and the order of the Resurrection, he is the firstborn of the Dead).’”
Born HUMAN … Begotten Divine… Physical then the Spiritual
One of the false claims is that The Messiah existed first Spiritually “in heaven” then “came down from heaven” to Earth in physical form or “in the flesh”. This is a false doctrine born out of ignorance of the Scriptures and The Plan of Salvation.
I get this all the time, this is simply not The Plan of Salvation or what the Scriptures clearly tell us. Yahusha is THE WAY and we “follow him in the regeneration/resurrection” whereby we shed this temporary “sukkots” and enter The Kingdom.
Matthew 19 Yahusha said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things (first resurrection), when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne (reference to The Heavenly Scroll/Plan of Salvation), you who have followed me in the regeneration/resurrection will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
The Plan of Salvation or “Good News” is that Yahuah has anointed a Royal High Priest, perfected him through discipline, the “made him to know no sin” by walking The Way by Living Water of Mikveh, Circumcision, and Offering as High Priest after his sin had been forgiven.
The physical body comes first THEN the Spiritual Body
1 Corinthians 15 …45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam BECAME (by the power of the resurrection) a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from what is written in The Heavenly Scroll...
That is The Plan of Salvation where Yahuah has anointed a Royal High Priest, perfected him through suffering discipline, then fulfilled His promise to “forgive our iniquity and remember our sin no more” for those who walk The Way of Mikveh, Circumcision, and Offering.
To “atone” you must be a HUMAN High Priest from The House of Zadok… not a “demi-god”. Chosen from AMONG MEN not “gods”….
Hebrews 5:1 EVERY high priest is selected from among the men and is appointed to represent the people in matters related to Yahuah, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.
For “this reason”… to prove Yahuah will fulfill His promise Yahusha had to be “made” just like us… fully human in every way… and a human High Priest…
Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest (who are chosen aming men not gods) in service to Yahuah (because they are the human representatives and mediators for mankind), and that he might make atonement for (himself Hebrews 5:3 and for) the sins of the people.
For more, read my book The Nazarene! In that book, I overcome every object and prove incarnation is a lie from the pit of hell. Below is the link to the Book Shelf where you can get The Nazarene in .pdf for $10.
We are ALL predestined “before the foundation of the world” not just Yahusha and that does not imply or mean pre-existence.
We ALL were predestined before the foundation of the world in The Debar (predestined plan of the Father) not just Yahusha! All His sons…
Romans 8 28 And we know that Yahuah works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose (written in the stars to beget a family). 29 For those Yahuah foreknew (in the Debar, his predetined plan), He also predestined to be conformed to the image (example) of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn (of the dead) among many brothers. 30 And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified.
Yahuah is Yahusha’s “God and Father” too… he is our BROTHER, not our “god” that is idolatry and blasphemy! We all were predestined before the foundation of the world in The Heavenly Scroll (we are the Bride) and we ALL who are conformed to the image/example of the first born again son… will be adopted who walk The Way as he did of Mikveh, Circumcision, and Offering.
John 20 Yahusha said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father (he had NEVER seen Yahuah until then). Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" Hebrews 2 Both the one who makes people holy (Yahuah) and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Yahusha (who had to be sanctified and MADE HOLY) is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters. John 17:19-21 "And for their sakes I sanctify myself (to be made holy in obedience to the Will of Yahuah), that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word (enter into covenant); That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in (covenant with) me (to be my Father), and I in (covenant with) thee (to be your first born again son), that they also may be one in (covenant with) us (to be adopted as children): that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Ephesians 1 3 Blessed be THE GOD AND FATHER of our King Yahusha the Messiah, who (Yahuah) has blessed us in covenant with Yahusha with every spiritual blessing promised in The Heavenly Scroll. 4 For He chose us (as adopted children) in covenant with him before the foundation of the world (we are the Bride in The Heavenly Scroll) to be holy and blameless (by walking The Way of Mikveh, Circumcision, and Offering) in His presence. In love 5 He predestined us for adoption as His sons through the Yahushaic Covenant, according to the good pleasure of His will (written in the stars to beget a family to govern the Universe) John 1 12 But to all who did receive him, to those who believed in the covenant that bears his name (The Yahushaic Covenant), He gave the right to become children of God (through adoption) — 13 children born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but born of Yahuah (the Ruach by the power of the resurrection as Yahusha was).…
Yahusha was created/made/came in the flesh, then was appointed High Priest by Yahuah directly (Zechariah 3), he was foretold in The Heavenly Scroll to be The Branch who comes twice in the 4,000th and 6,000th year as Suffering Servant and then Conquering King… not before then (click here).
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb (created you) I knew you (in the Debar/Heavenly Scroll), and before you were born I consecrated you (in the Debar, my Plan of Salvation); I appointed you a prophet (and covenant) to the nations.” 2 Timothy 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose (to beget a family) and grace, which he gave us in The Yahushaic Covenant before the ages began (in The Heavenly Scroll)
He did not “pre-exist” he was foreknown in the mind/plan of the Father called The Debar… he was CREATED in the 4,000th year as foretold in The Heavenly Scroll and by Daniel who read it.
1 Peter 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world (in the stars Psalm 19) but was made manifest (CREATED) in the last times for the sake of you (to show us The Way to be perfected and adopted)
We, like him, are created IN THE FLESH first, then begotten by the Ruach by the power of the resurrection divine…
1 Corinthians 15:49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of (proclaimed in) heaven (as we follow Yahusha in the resurrection).
The “Book of Life” is The Book in Heaven i.e. The Heavenly Scroll where eternal life is promised through a human mediating High Priest who gives his life for ours…. and eternal life “springs from his death” not human birth for him and us…
Revelation 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain (the man who died at the turn of the Ages of Aries as the Lamb dies and Pisces begins as foretold in The Heavenly Scroll) 1 Corinthians 2:7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of Yahuah (the stars contain a secret mankind is striving to learn Enoch 9:6), which Yahuah decreed before the ages (called The Heavenly Scroll) for our glory.
I could keep going, and going, and going… this IS the Plan of Salvation. Yahusha did not pre-exist, he was PORTRAYED in The Heavenly Scroll as a Lamb that is slaughtered… he was not actually a “lamb killed at creation” …
Anyone who claims a Nazarene denies the deity of “Christ” is a liar and false witness.
We categorically proclaim his Deity POST resurrection. What they are really saying is that we deny incarnation which is absolutely the truth. By making this false accusation, you are guilty of bearing false witness in public thereby condemning yourself in the process for unrighteous judgment. You are breaking EVERY Scriptural instruction of judgment which is that you are to go to the brother first in private and make that false accusation. Let the Nazarene explain the truth to you concerning the deity of the Messiah and that they do not deny it, but proclaim it properly.
Incarnation is Blasphemy
The real issue here is incarnation which is The Spirit of the False Messiah and blasphemy against The Holy Spirit. Those who claim “Yahuah is Yahusha” and that Yahuah “came in the flesh and died as a man” have committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Yahuah declares Yahuah is IMMORTAL, INVISIBLE, and SPIRIT not a “mortal man who died”.
Colossians 1:15 15 The Son is the (human) IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the firstborn over all (eternal) creation (the first of the resurrection). John 1:18 18 No one has ever seen Yahuah, however the first begotten Son of the only Father, who is himself Divine (post resurrection Romans 1:2-4) and is in at the Father’s Right Hand (after being glorified Mark 16:19), has made Yahuah known (by demonstrating the GREATEST LOVE John 15:13). 1 John 4:12 12 No one has ever seen Yahuah; but if we love one another, The Spirit of Yahuah lives in us and His love is made complete in us (as demonstrated by Yahusha John 15:13). Hebrews 11:27 It was by faith that Moses left the land of Egypt, not fearing the king's anger. He kept right on going because he kept his (Spiritual) eyes (had faith) on the one who is invisible. 1 Timothy 6 16 Yahuah alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Exodus 33:20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Job 9:11 "Yet when he comes near, I cannot see him. When he moves by, I do not see him go.” Job 23:9 When He acts on the left, I cannot behold Him; He turns on the right, I cannot see Him. Job 23:8 "Behold, I go forward but He is not there, And backward, but I cannot perceive Him; 1 Timothy 1 17Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the ONLY God, be honor and glory forever and ever. John 5:44 How can you believe if you accept glory from one another, yet do not seek the glory that comes from the ONLY God? Romans 1 …19 For what may be known about Yahuah is plain to them, because Yahuah has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world Yahuah’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship (The Heavenly Scroll), so that men are without excuse. 21 For although they knew Yahuah, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts (to believe he came to Earth as a mortal man and died)… Numbers 23:19 Yahuah is not a man, that he should lie (Yahusha was fully human Hebrews 2:17); neither the son of man (Yahusha was called the son of man in the NT 87 times), that he should repent (Yahusha was Mikveh’d i.e. baptized by John for repentance). Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you (Yahuah), ONLY TRUE God, and (come to You through) Yahusha who is the Messiah, whom you have sent (in fulfillment of Your promises as foretold through the prophets to be the Mediator). 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is ONE God (Yahuah) and one mediator between Yahuah and mankind, THE MAN Yahusha the Messiah. Hosea 11:9 I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and NOT A MAN—
YOU… have denied the Creator’s deity and immortality, not me. This is exactly what Sha’ul addressed in Romans Chapter 1… those who teach LIES as the truth (the Truth in unrighteousness) and reduce the IMMORTAL, INVISIBLE, SPIRIT known as Yahuah to a mere “mortal man who died” saying He was His first-born again son, which is straight out of Babylon… “Ba’al came to Earth via a Virgin Birth as Tammuz who was the Word made flesh”…
From Babylon to Rome to our English twisted Bibles…
The “doctrine” of incarnation and pre-existence was given to us via the Greeks who got it from Babylon and Egypt. The Scriptures were Hellenized by pagan scribes and it is from those twisted Greek manuscripts we get our modern English Bibles!
Jeremiah 8:8 "'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
______________ source reference ____________________ The Religions of Ancient Greece and Babylonia, by A. H. Sayce. pages 229-230 Many of the theories of Egyptian religion, modified and transformed no doubt, have penetrated into the theology of Christian Europe, and form, as it were, part of the woof in the web of modern religious thought. Christian theology was largely organized and nurtured in the schools of Alexandria, and Alexandria was not only the meeting place of East and West, it was also the place where the decrepit theology of Egypt was revivified by contact with the speculative philosophy of Greece. Perhaps, however, the indebtedness of Christian theological theory to ancient Egyptian dogma is nowhere more striking than in the doctrine of the Trinity. The very terms used of it by Christian theologians meet us again in the inscriptions and papyri of Egypt. Originally the trinity was a triad like those we find in Babylonian mythology. The triad consisted of a divine father, wife, and son. The father became the son and the son the father through all time, and of both alike the mother was but another form.
This was always what the Greeks believed in ROME (the capital city of Christianity even today) who twisted the Scriptures even back in Sha’ul’s day… The entire “doctrine” that Yahuah came to Earth as Yahusha who was the “Word made flesh” IS PAGAN!!!!
________________ source reference ___________________ LOGOS (Greek:"word, "reason, or plan"), plural logoi, in Greek philosophy and theology, the divine reason implicit in the cosmos, ordering it and giving it form and meaning. Though the concept defined by the term logos is found in Greek, Indian, Egyptian, and Persian philosophical and theological systems, it became particularly significant in Christian writings and doctrines to describe or define the role of Jesus Christ as the principle of God active in the creation and the continuation structuring of the cosmos and in revealing the divine plan of salvation to man. It thus underlies the basic Christian doctrine of the pre-existence of Jesus… The identification of Jesus with the logos was further developed in the early church but more on the basis of Greek philosophical ideas than on Old Testament motifs.
________________ source reference __________________ The Abingdon Dictionary of Living Religions, page 767, tells us: TRINITY (Ch). The Dogma, formulated authoritatively in fourth-century church Councils, that Christians worship one God in three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and one substance. Under pressure to explain to a hostile Roman world how Christians counted themselves monotheists, Christian apologists (notably Justin Martyr, d. 165) combined Johannine and Stoic-Platonic philosophy of the term “Logos” ("Reason," or "Word") in order to maintain that the Son was both God's own self-expression and a being distinct from him.
Yes, you believe in a doctrine NOT taught in Scripture or by any inspired anointed of Yahuah, but you believe and teach the PAGAN philosophy of PLATO and JOHANNINE based on ancient Egyptian and Babylonian beliefs.
This is the very essence of The Spirit of the False Messiah and those who bear false witness against the Nazarenes for “denying the deity of the Messiah” are dead wrong both on that false accusation but also when he became “deity!
Yahuah, however, declares that He is not a man, He is not ‘the son of man’, He is invisible Spirit that cannot be contained in the human form or tempted by evil. We see below that Yahuah pronounced a “curse”… saying
Numbers 23:19 Yahuah is not a man, that he should lie (Yahusha was fully human Hebrews 2:17); neither the son of man (Yahusha was called the son of man in the NT 87 times), that he should repent (Yahusha was Mikveh’d i.e. baptized by John for repentance). Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
So Yahuah spoke that He was not a man, nor the son of man, and has no need to repent. Then He clearly challenged us all by saying thus He has spoken, and so He will act, and never come to Earth as a human being. Then He said He promised us this, and He would fulfill it. Never, would He come to earth as “God in the flesh”. Now, Yahusha claimed to be a human being 87 times (the son of man) and went to Yahchanan to be Mikved for “remission of sin”…
Beware of the WEEDS people…